If #Americansabroad don’t hang together, they will hang separately and that’s a #FATCA

Update – June 24, 2015

I include the following comment from Deckard1138:

Hi John,

Great post. The only observation I would make is that of course you don’t have to have been born in the U.S. to be affected by CBT, FBAR and FATCA. Foreign-born children of at least one US-born parent who met the arcane residency requirements, spouses of US-born individuals, green card holders and immigrants to the US are also being terrorized by an immoral and tyrannical American government. A US birthplace may be the primary trip-wire for US Persons abroad, but it is by no means the only one.

The Facts:

The wisdom of John Adams has been cited through the years. It formed the basis of some of  Ronald Reagan’s most memorable  speeches.

The simple fact is that:

All people who were born in the United States, who live outside the United States, are under attack by various U.S. laws. These laws include: certain tax laws and certain reporting laws. The United States is currently on a “world-wide”  hunt to locate ALL persons with a U.S. place of birth. In order  to facilitate the “hunt” the United States has “deputized” non-U.S. banks and the compliance industry to assist in the search.

From a U.S. perspective:

The mission to to locate ALL people born in the United States who live outside  the United States. All of them. The  U.S. makes no distinctions among members of this  group.

From the perspective of those with a  U.S. birthplace  who live  outside  the United States:

They are not the same. Some consider themselves to be U.S. citizens. Some do not. Some consider themselves to be  loyal Americans. Some do not. Some consider themselves to be Republicans. Some Democrats, etc. This is true. But it is also irrelevant. The U.S. Government doesn’t care.

Facts are stubborn things! The fact is that all U.S. born people  who live  outside  the United States are under attack.

Purpose: The need for  unity

It is obvious that not  all people are same. Therefore, it’s obvious that  not all people  with a U.S. birthplace are the same. They will not agree. They may not like each other. They may have differing priorities. They may have differing views about specific goals and the ways of  achieving those  goals. On the most basic level (as I have repeatedly said) some affected by all of  this don’t even consider themselves to be Americans. Some do. But,  the point is that the U.S. Government doesn’t care whether you are American. The U.S. government cares only whether it can define you to be a “U.S. person” and subject you to U.S. taxation. That’s all it is.

Therefore, it’s extremely important to recognize that ALL individuals (“Homelander Abroad“, “Non-meaningful“, “Republican”, “Democrat”, etc.) with a U.S. birthplace  are affected by U.S. policies  in the same way. Sure, some will  NOT owe U.S. tax. Some will. I suggest  that INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES are less important  than  the GOVERNING PRINCIPLE.

 The relevant question is:

Are  you prepared to accept as the  “GOVERNING PRINCIPLE” that:

The United States of America can define citizens and residents of other nations as part of its tax base and use the status of the U.S. dollar to impose sanctions on nations that won’t do what  it wants.

The “infighting” among the  different groups  of “so called Americans abroad” must  stop. All the various groups are doing important work. They are just  doing it differently. The “personal circumstances” of an “individual” are not (in the scheme of things) as important as the broader principles  at  stake.  It’s important to:

– respect the obvious  fact that  there are many different kinds  of people  with a U.S. birthplace;

– simply to “agree to disagree” on some of  the specifics, but always agree on the broader  issues

– understand that you don’t have to participate  in or agree  with every single step that may be taken to protect “U.S. born people” abroad.

Some agree with the ADCS FATCA lawsuit and some don’t. So what.

Some believe that a lawsuit in the U.S. against CBT is a good idea and some don’t. So what.

There is a difference  between NOT supporting an initiative and actively opposing that initiative. The (what is almost certain) lawsuit against CBT is a good example. Some agree  with it. Some don’t.  Some  don’t want to finance  it. Some do. If  you don’t  support it, that’s fine.  But what possible  value is  there in opposing it?

If you are reading this  post you are involved in what is  a long march for justice for “Americans abroad”. Again, this is a “marathon” and not a “sprint”.  It will take time. It will take energy.  It will take purpose.  It will take  focus. It will take belief.

Shouldn’t the energy of everybody affected by this  be directed towards  supporting all steps  toward  righting the severe injustice inflicted  by the U.S. Government on those with a U.S. birthplace?

The importance of a united front …

Whether  through “political action” or through “litigation” (or a combination), it’s important the the U.S. Government, the Republican Party, the Democratic Party,Governments of other nations and the courts understand that ALL people  with a U.S.  birthplace are unjustly affected by FATCA, FBAR CBT and the rest. In no way can this be seen to be a partisan issue. It’s  not about the Democrats or the Republicans.

Which means that …

As entertaining as the  recent “in fighting” has been, it really must  stop.

It’s obvious to me that:

To the extent that the U.S. Government views “Americans Abroad” as NOT having a united front, change  will be more  difficult. Far better for the  U.S. Government to see very different groups that have very little  in common, but are  absolutely united  in their opposition to FATCA, FBAR, CBT, PFIC and  the “Alphabet Soup” list  of  evils that are destroying the lives of Americans abroad and eventually the Homeland itself.

So,  in public …

Probably not a good idea to undermine the positions and views of those  who you don’t agree with.

Most of what you need to know about life comes Mario Puzo’s  “Godfather”  (not from the U.S. Treasury).

First – Public  Perception:

Second – About  those who you don’t like:

John Richardson

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2 comments on “If #Americansabroad don’t hang together, they will hang separately and that’s a #FATCA
  1. As ADCS reserves right to have a go at the Canadian Government for mentioned injustices allowed by Canadian law, I reserve right to have a go at the Australian Government for mentioned injustices allowed under Australian law.

    Most of my focus is on the US Government with lesser focus on Australian Government. I mention the injustice of US taxation of Australian Superannuation for Australian residents – as I believe this the most clear example within Australia of the injustices. I understand that I must make clarification for comments directed toward the US, but perhaps the most clear example for persons in the US is double taxation of retirement funds, similar to US 401K and IRA. However, this injustice may not ring through for US politicians who get government pensions and will not rely on retirement savings through 401K and IRA.

    I have been after FATCALegalAction and Republicans Overseas for partisan tweets. I have quoted back to them of an article saying that FLA was founded by overseas Republicans and Democrats (and also there are Democrat plaintiffs in the works). I ask them why make partisan posts? Just focus on the injustices and don’t remind Democrats why they don’t like the Republicans – leave the partisan attacks to the Homeland Republican Party. They stopped with those posts.

    Democrats Abroad are perhaps unredeemable and in need of new leadership, more representative of their overseas base; alternatively they may change their name, I suggested to them, to Homeland Democrats Overseas.

    So are then attacks on these groups for partisan politics not standing together?

    Some groups are very careful not to attack America itself or American laws. They have a very measured response. I say the injustices are nothing new. There have been articles in Forbes, WSJ and others for years outlining the injustices. Then why doesn’t the press questioning lawmakers directly on these issues? Why don’t lawmakers take note? There have been submissions to the Senate Finance Committee and House Ways and Means, and testimony of Rodger Conklin and others. It is all nothing new! The inertia warrants an aggressive tack, even lawsuit against the Canadian Government.

    I say it is US persons overseas such as John X Hanson voicing opposition to CBT, FBAR, and FATCA who are expressing American principals and values to a much greater extent than embodied in those laws that punish US persons overseas. Those in the US opposing the communication of injustices by US persons overseas are less American for it.

    The combination of CBT, FBAR, and FATCA on US persons overseas representing double taxation without representation, with excessive compliance cost, with excessive compliance penalty, without a care by the US government for the well being of US persons overseas, and with $0 in US government services for them in exchange other than those paid for by a fee is Tyranny, and what one may more closely associate with a Communist Government than a Democracy.

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  2. Deckard1138 says:

    Hi John,

    Great post. The only observation I would make is that of course you don’t have to have been born in the U.S. to be affected by CBT, FBAR and FATCA. Foreign-born children of at least one US-born parent who met the arcane residency requirements, spouses of US-born individuals, green card holders and immigrants to the US are also being terrorized by an immoral and tyrannical American government. A US birthplace may be the primary trip-wire for US Persons abroad, but it is by no means the only one.

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